Monday, March 7, 2011

Am i tripping out?



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I dont want this to be wanky, seriously. Not drama and shit like that, but i have been hearing this a lot lately. I know i cant spell really well and some times i come across mad crass and pervy but i feel like this is not a good illistration of my personality. My character and values. Maybe having a face and being tangible was never a good idea. Putting a name to the face. I always worry what my girls parents wouyld think about all this sillyness, and i know its all not very important and i dont belive my self to be a hype or even worth the conversation, i still stress that im not ever going to live up to an expectation i can some times portray. I dunno, this turned gay and wanky and drama, i didnt want to be that kind of dude, ever. Its hard to say what i mean, really.

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> Hey there....> I just wanted to tell you, personally, how great I think your site is.> It's inspiring... actually, I think I'm going to jerk my labia off after I > get done writing this. > I'd like to know what inspires you to do the work that you do. It's > offensive and one of the lowest forms of "expression" I've ever seen. Are > you attempting to reach horny men or the artistic 20 somethings or both? > It's a sad reality that so many women are willing/ seeking ways to exploit > themselves. Are you just the middle man supporting the decision of the
> supposed willing participant (insert: woman showing herself in a *dare i > say* explicit, manner..)? Or are you a small cog in a growing industry > that turns women into SEXUAL OBJECTS? aka your site, millions of other > blogs, porn, need i go on? > Is this the way women like to be shown? Sexy creatures that should be > *beautifully* showcased. For a male's hard on? For a man's pleasure?> This is where I should say that.... I AM NOT A LESBIAN. Good forbid (but, > I do like getting off to two girls.. hehe!) > Sexuality is one of our most innate human traits and desires... however, > the exploit of our sexuality is almost a tragedy. And it's kind of > everywhere. Keep up the good work!

> Tharin Beemanwww.tharinbeeman.tumblr.com


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Hey Tharin,

Hmm, i didnt know exactly how to respond to this but i didnt want to wait on it and give it to much time to fester in my head and let my ego get the better of me, because im actually glad you contacted me. I want to address this now while im thinking and drinking so it can be a open thing, something i havent contrived.

I have been debating all this my self and have spoke to many friends and family about it all. Its something that HAS come up before at a party with my girl friends friends and i have been taken aback by it all. I wouldn't think my self like that, but maybe i can c ome over that way for sure, defiantly.

Im not exactly sure what to say - but im always interested in the truth. No delusions. Esspecially from my self, and i dont/cant find the right way to justify or explain what the site is all about. Aside beautiful in the madness of it all. In its lewdness. It evokes, and you know, it works- the HST girls is a section i stand behind proudly because all the girls are intelligent, free, open and more importantly passionate about the art works they are creating, wether you can credit them or not. i cantfeel the way you feel about sexism the same way i cant feel a black mans pain over racism. it simply is, what it is. Im not here to hide it, or instill it, but shit yeah - ill throw it ou there. See HOW it does get a response, how it is percieved. Dont you find that interesting? A cog,
okay fair enough, but im not the machine. I mearly present the way i want a world to engage in. Communication, and not even on a literary or intelectual level, just the fat getting chewed. Every day mullings, the photos are simplu a fucking fun time had by all and a great way to share shots and styles of modeling.

I dont want to be preachy, and i am going to post this on my blog but not in a fuck you kinda way, rather lets see what people think. If this is a negative thing im doing, or what, you know? I preach communication, lets communicate - how could i do this better?

Again, dont want to be preachy or come off like a wanker - just chewing the fat.

Ben

26 comments:

  1. You know how I feel, brother. I don’t give a fuck. We’ll go to hell together.
    This is an issue that I have addressed with feminists and church types before. Actually most feminists end up getting my point. The women aren’t the victims: WE are. the idiotic men who will spend hundreds of dollars having a stripper pretend to like us for a few minutes. I have known many many strippers, hookers, swingers, and porn actresses in my life, and 99% are very much in control. They are cunning in their deception of false emotions. They are proud of their beauty and wish for people to view them in their natural seductive form. There is nothing exploitative about it. they are consenting adults who are almost primal in their sexuality. Sites like yours, my aussie friend, just shed light on the darker, edgier, but not EVIL side of art. For a naked woman IS art, the original artistic masterpiece. We are just two fans of this medium.
    No shame, brother. We are who we are. and not just pervs and ’20 something hipsters’ appreciate this. And you know that.

    Aw hell, look what you got me doing. Now I am all wanky. You Dick
    Keep the faith

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  2. Hmmm, now lets see here im feeling this email is obviously very sarcastic at times "jerk off my labia", "keep up the good work!".
    Lets break it down shall we.... The first two sentences seem to be very vicious in their manner "tell you" followed by a smart remark. There is definitely some deeper issue here than the theme of exploiting women.
    I think that from perusing the site it is obvious what the inspiration is... Horror Sleaze and Trash in its many forms.... but the question of 'WHY"? may have been a better question to ask here...?
    It's 'offensive' to you Tharin maybe... okay thats fine, so how did you come across such a site in the first place? Perusing Sleaze on the net to track down & bring down, or for your own personal pleasure?
    'Attempting to reach horny men?' hang on what about the WOMEN? or would that be wrong to think women would be attracted to this sort of thing? You say 'sad reality', I say 'a heaven sent' an avenue for sexy powerful women to embrace their full feminity to the world in a safe/supported environment. 'willing' to freely express themselves in an artistic or 'not so artisitic' way is purely subjective. 'Exploit' well if the consenting (not supposed willing) models are in charge then i say 'Exploit A heroic and notable act'!
    And 'Explicit' manner... wow you aint seen much then sorry.
    SEXUAL OBJECTS hmmm in a growing industry. Well as reality shows, yes sex does sell... But rather than looking at it as a negative thing & labeling sexually liberated women as SEXUAL OBJECTS, could it be possible that as 'The Schirling' suggests the men are actually the ones at loss here? We as women have the power of the pussy... lets face it. am i wrong? Do we not use the power of what we have.. to lure men in with our sexual nature?
    Why is it a bad thing to be showcased as a 'sexy creature'? Is it not many a womens desire to be seen as 'beautiful'? What is beautiful to you Tharin, im intruiged to know?
    so YOU ARE NOT A LESBIAN? but you do like getting off to two girls? hmmm im confused, anyone else? So if we did a HST shoot of two women would you not get off on it??
    Sexuality IS an innate human trait so why not bring it into the mainstream in a non smutty way as HST does? Instead of leaving sex/porn/low brow poetry in the darkness of supposed men slurping on their beers & batting off to their computers at night, we bring it into LIGHT, CELEBRATE & LIBERATE!
    Do most people not love sex? Do most people not in some way or another want to secretly be dirty? Instead of allowing it to be a taboo a bad/negative/naughty thing, why not embrace those dark urges the shadow selves that most/ dare i say ALL people have & enjoy what HST had to offer instead of dissing it then secretly batting off to it yourself??

    Almost a Tragedy? I say almost a Blessing. Lets give HST permission to bring the Horror/sleaze/trash to the forefront and see it recognized not as smut but as the ARTful experience and fun that it is.... you aint gonna find no raw/real poetry in no porn mag like your going to find here... But maybe you should.

    Keep doin what you do boy... you got more lovers than haters I can assure you!

    PEACE

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  3. yeah man, tone it the fuck down already! ha ha

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  4. Cheers Shirl and Anon. Damn good of you.

    Will, i'll see what i can do, haha.

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  7. ..Left with no farther forum to respond to my own post that you decided to publicly share. Censorship.

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  8. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

    I just come to this site to see spiderman dance...
    each to his own.

    fuckit, we all choose to be victims. we wanna feel like we change the world somehow....but NO, we don't, NO-one CAREs. Her, defending "the girls" made her feel special, you getting it made you feel special, your reply made her feel special...etc etc etc...it's a horrid little circle jerk.....
    should've replied "HAAHA - you said labia. p.s. have you see spiderman dance".....
    cause that's all that matters.

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  9. cradle shaker - what the fuck are you talking about? You deleted your own comments you tripped out cunt



    Nark - Your right... Your fucking right.

    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6cedvMtdV1qzjcpvo1_250.gif

    thats all that really matters. I must have lost my head for a minute there...

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  10. As a listed editor of the site, I got the same email. Here is my response, sent yesterday, for the record:

    Thank you for your email - it's not often we get direct feedback on the site. I assure you, your tone was not misunderstood, but I think you deserve a proper response.

    First off you asked what inspires us to do the work we do. What inspired us most, probably, was a sense that there is a certain voice in the artistic communities that needed a microphone. It is hard enough starting out as a writer/poet/photographer, but when the material in question is considered edgy, underground or, indeed, pornographic, mainstream outlets very often won't touch it. We decided to provide a platform for these artists to showcase their work. Simple as that.

    Are we attempting to reach horny men? Competing with the entire porn industry by publishing poetry and prose? That would be futile, to say the least. Artistic twenty-somethings of course, and artistic people of any age group. They're all welcome, as far as I am concerned.

    I do take exception to your accusation that by photographing or displaying the female body, we are helping turn women into sexual objects. I should point out that the women featured on the site are either professional models, photographed by professional photographers, or amateur models looking to break into industry. How a woman chooses to display her body or explore her own sexuality is her own choice and I am sure the women we have featured would find it insulting that you refer to them as 'supposed willing participants'. That would suggest that the women in question aren't intelligent enough to realise the import of their choices in having these pictures taken, and in submitting them to a website for publication.

    I should also point out that we have featured a number of female poetry/prose writers, some of whose work would definitely be considered sexually explicit. We are just as willing to feature material written from a female perspective as we are to feature erotic photography, and I suppose I can't do anything other than assure you (and I am being genuine) that it has never been my intention to objectify women. Of course I agree that it is still a problem in our society, but the problem lies within the mindsets of minority of men viewing the photos - not in the mindsets of the men and women who produce or publish them.

    I would not presume to change your mind on this subject, of course, but perhaps you would like to submit a series of photographs challenging these preconceptions about female sexuality, and displaying it in a way that you would like to see it shown? I would be more than happy to publish your work, if you chose to submit, although something tells me you're just not interested...

    Either way feedback is always welcome, so thank you for taking the time.

    All the best,

    Ian
    HST Editor

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  11. Ok this question raised an interesting point
    which I think Ian let pretty much clear

    HST features content that is NOT by any mean more explicit than Tropic of Cancer or Naked Lunch, to give only 2 examples...and even if someone don't appreciate it, one simply cannot deny that those novels were great achievements in literature.

    I think HST gets artistic influences from distinct groups, that are either underground or a little bit obscure, but by giving it a place to express those forms of art get a recognition and can touch more people who wanted to deal with this things and couldnt, it touched me for example, and just because some photos and poems cannot be found in your street library/gallery it doesnt make them lesser forms of art...only alternative...

    I shall stress that I cannot show some of this site photos to the parents of my gf for example, or translate them the poems, because they can judge me in a worse way than just a guy who see porn (I do and a lot of people do and here it's like demoniac!) but that's the fault of society and its mentality, if my mother could read english she wouldve burned my Naked Lunch long time ago...and it'ld be a pity

    Art is mostly (and supposedly also) not understandable at the same way by everyone, take a look at greek statues, naked guys in stupid positions...I don't like, for me it's disgusting but I don't go complain like a bitch, same thing in galleries, you see pretty weird things you don't like but hey...someone else will... maybe...

    To finish, women portrayed here are adult, artists...and most of the time pretty, and when they are not pretty I'm in internet so I can always click the fuck outta here

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  12. Why has degrading women become an accepted thing? The naked human body (woman and man) is beautiful. The pictures on your site are degrading. You have taken something beautiful and turned it into Horror, Sleaze and Trash. That's what your going for though, right? Is there is an ironic kind of element to it all?...that maybe you do see through it and this is your way of expressing this kind of love/hate for porn and women and life in general? Negativity makes up such a large part of the world's consciousness. We need more love.

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  13. Ben cunt, what is it about my post that you can't leave up? Am I speaking too much truth for you? Do you feel like a wanker? A pussy? Grow up dude.

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  14. You know what tharin, me and Ian tried to respond with some level of decency and respect but if your just going to act like a dumb bitch I have no time for you. Go jerk your labia you crazy fucker, I haven't deleted Ny of yours or that other tripped out individuals posts. You didnt even respond to our emails. In fact I think I even gave you to much credit to begin with. Don't come here any more if it's such a head ache for you.

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  15. just shot yourself in the foot there tharin! silly cunt.

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  16. Your site don't mean shit son. Get a real job. Will, you are a cunt too!

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  17. The investment that I've put into this site is arbitrary and therefore I must resign. Good luck to you all.

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  18. btw cunt love. from a real motha fuckin cunt..

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  19. Seeing as I'm not only the cunt that took the picture at the top of this post, but I am the cunt in the fucking picture, I feel like I should add my two cents.

    I never take my pictures with any man jerking his man meat in mind. Never have. I do it because I'm pretty and I take some damn good self shots and I want people to see that.
    I don't find what I do to be degrading at all or that I'm sexually exploiting myself or whatever.

    What's degrading is having ignorant girls laying down hypocritical homophobic slurs telling a man that featured me on his website that he is degrading my personal being by doing so all the while assuming that I am an nothing more than an object and even going so far as to prove to everyone here that YOU see me as nothing more than an object with your comment about how you flicked your bean to the shit later and then go on to comment about how I'm exploiting myself and blah blah fucking blah. ugh, enough.

    Also, I am a sexy creature and I am beautifully showcased and if you want to contradict that sugar, well you can just stuff your mouth with my pussy and shut the fuck up.

    and that's all I have to say for now.

    -Kati/VainViki

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  20. I'm gonna have a shot everytime "Sharon" Beeman (read with a LISP,thhhhharon) says CUNT.

    see...should've stuck with spiderman.....as soon as you try and be "educated" with these deliverance kids....they just reply with "naughty words" and a "my daddy's gun is bigger than your daddys gun" mentality.

    OOOOOOOOOOOh.......and loosing SUCH A GREAT INVESTER must be awful. hahahahahahahahha THIS SHIT IS GREAT.

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  21. What a horse-humping thundercunt stupid bitch she was. I bet it's been years since a real man gave her the business. fuck her.

    You are a true revolutionary ben-jammin. much love

    and Vain Viki, you are a goddess of Charlie Sheen lovin proportions

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